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I'm looking to get a second opinion of the status of Pat Tillman. Even though his page is chock-full of cited quotes, I'm not sure if he should be included in the atheist category or should be moved to the ambiguous category. I've done a LOT of research on Tillman and find that the only PROOF of him being an atheist is what his brother said at his funeral: "Pat isn't with God, he said. "He's f -- ing dead. He wasn't religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he's f -- ing dead." I could refer you to at least 50 articles which state that he's an atheist, but not one of those cites proof. They must be basing that off of either the funeral comments or the comments by Lt. Colonel Ralph Kauzlarich: "well, if you're an atheist and you don't believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You're worm dirt. So, for their son to die for nothing....it's pretty hard to get your head around that." [1] (at 1:05) We can dismiss what Kauzlarich says, though, because he provides no evidence that he's privy to knowledge about Tillman that we are not. Also, "The Army would not say if he had ever declared himself an atheist." [2] (at 1:54)

So....it all boils down to the comment by Tillman's brother. Is this proof? Could Tillman have been anything other than an atheist for his brother's comments to still make sense? I can't think of what that would be, but I'm really not sure and would appreciate your thoughts.


--- We're not always going to have a specific quote from an atheist that makes it clear they are an atheist. Considering the depth of acceptance of Tillman's atheism, I can't see how he could possibly be listed as anything but an atheist. I think this one is about as rock solid as they get without the type of quote you're thinking we should see. --Sapient 03:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

--Okay. I agree. Thanks.